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I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by droolmaster0 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:43 pm

Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files, of which there are a huge number available. Capacity in the module should be very large.

Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.

There are programs that do this with midi using pitchbend, and the motm 650 can upload one such scale and translate its midi input into that scale, but I want something better. Now.

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Post by droolmaster0 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:17 pm

Nuuj wrote:Not a module but...

http://www.h-pi.com/TBX1features.html
Well, it's midi only. There is software that will do that. I want cv...

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Post by drewtoothpaste » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:11 pm

You should get an Arduino and program it to do this - there's a "midiuino" deal that sets it up to receive and parse incoming MIDI data, and it outputs 4-5 analog voltages at once. If I had more time I'd dive into it (sadly, I gave up on my arduino quantizer project last year...)

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Post by droolmaster0 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:28 pm

I don't believe that these are microtuning scales at all.

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Post by droolmaster0 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:29 pm

drewtoothpaste wrote:You should get an Arduino and program it to do this - there's a "midiuino" deal that sets it up to receive and parse incoming MIDI data, and it outputs 4-5 analog voltages at once. If I had more time I'd dive into it (sadly, I gave up on my arduino quantizer project last year...)
And without any programming skills at all I'll be able to do this telekinetically?

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Post by thermionicjunky » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:43 pm

Unfortunately, there may not be enough demand. I bought a TBX1 and plan on getting a CV-to-MIDI converter. It's a bit goofy but it should get the job done.

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Post by droolmaster0 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:47 pm

thermionicjunky wrote:Unfortunately, there may not be enough demand. I bought a TBX1 and plan on getting a CV-to-MIDI converter. It's a bit goofy but it should get the job done.
you mean midi to cv, I think. And it would have to handle the midi + the pitchbend simultaneously....I guess you could mix the pitch + the pitchbend. I could do that with some software I have on the mac, but that just seems like a pain - I want a module that does it easily.

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Post by thermionicjunky » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:54 pm

droolmaster0 wrote:
thermionicjunky wrote:Unfortunately, there may not be enough demand. I bought a TBX1 and plan on getting a CV-to-MIDI converter. It's a bit goofy but it should get the job done.
you mean midi to cv, I think. And it would have to handle the midi + the pitchbend simultaneously....I guess you could mix the pitch + the pitchbend. I could do that with some software I have on the mac, but that just seems like a pain - I want a module that does it easily.
No, if we're starting with cv, I mean cv to midi - TBX - midi to cv.

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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by nathankirchner » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:06 am

droolmaster0 wrote:Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files...

... Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.
Why do you want to be able to do that?
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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by droolmaster0 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:33 am

nathankirchner wrote:
droolmaster0 wrote:Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files...

... Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.
Why do you want to be able to do that?
Why would I want to be able to use cool, ethnic scales? Is that a serious question? How about, 'because I like the way that they sound'?

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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:41 am

nathankirchner wrote:
droolmaster0 wrote:Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files...

... Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.
Why do you want to be able to do that?
because it would be fucking brilliant?
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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by chinard » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:51 am

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nathankirchner wrote:
droolmaster0 wrote:Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files...

... Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.
Why do you want to be able to do that?
because it would be fucking brilliant?
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Post by ex_dead_teenager » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:39 am

I use a Hi Pi tuning box and a midi-CV converter it works find for m purposes though I agree I wish there was something like this in modular form too

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Post by suitandtieguy » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:41 am

no comment.
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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by nathankirchner » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:05 am

droolmaster0 wrote: Why would I want to be able to use cool, ethnic scales?
Right. So there are scales that don't use the C, C#, B, etc. notes/frequencies that I'm used to...

:eek:

Hang... on... a... minute... I think I may have completely misread/misunderstood your initial post. When you said microtune I thought you meant fine tuning (as in you might want A to be 443.25Hz instead of 440Hz) :doh:

Right - you are talking about a unit that moves incoming CV to the nearest note on a predefine scale (the scales being predefined via an upload of a .tun or scala file), yeah? You want CV 2 CV plus MIDI for loading new scales and then some sort of UI for selecting the scale currently being used, yeah?

So what do you mean when you say microtuning?
droolmaster0 wrote: Is that a serious question?
Yes, it was.
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Post by Nuuj » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:47 am

http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_microtuning/

I would buy a module that had standard Midi in and microtuned CV out.
I would also buy a CV quantizer that had non western scales or even one that had the ability to input arbitrary scales. Perhaps the Z-DSP could do this?


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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by droolmaster0 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:40 am

the tempered tunings that we are used to are not the only tunings that have been used world wide. Do you have any soft synths that can use .tun files? You can probably get a demo of Zebra, for instance, and try this out. I don't know that any explanation would work as well as playing some 'strange' arabic tuning, for instance. The notes fall between the 'cracks' - if you're not used to it, they can sound horribly out of tune, but they are out of tune only if you presuppose Western tuning. Also, research Harry Partch....
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droolmaster0 wrote: Why would I want to be able to use cool, ethnic scales?
Right. So there are scales that don't use the C, C#, B, etc. notes/frequencies that I'm used to...

:eek:

Hang... on... a... minute... I think I may have completely misread/misunderstood your initial post. When you said microtune I thought you meant fine tuning (as in you might want A to be 443.25Hz instead of 440Hz) :doh:

Right - you are talking about a unit that moves incoming CV to the nearest note on a predefine scale (the scales being predefined via an upload of a .tun or scala file), yeah? You want CV 2 CV plus MIDI for loading new scales and then some sort of UI for selecting the scale currently being used, yeah?

So what do you mean when you say microtuning?
droolmaster0 wrote: Is that a serious question?
Yes, it was.

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Post by ndkent » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:18 am

I've thought about it and yes, there are no quick answers. No the Analogue Systems module does nothing like that. An existing MIDI based solution will let you play the scales via MIDI but not quantitize. It's definitely something you'd do with a computer or a microcontroller based module.

There was the frac based PSIM which got developed but apparently was never delivered to many who bought it and some subsequent programmable microcontroller in a module projects in development which I'd think would be a good way to go.

Sooner or later someone will release more plug in tools using a MOTU type DC audio interface. Someone with VST/AU MAX type plug-making skills could roll one. So basically a CV would go into the MOTU, it goes through a plug in and comes out quantitized and goes back into the CV synth (and I hope they credit and comp me if they got the idea here though I'm sure this is on a lot of people's minds by now)

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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by transferpoint » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:22 am

droolmaster0 wrote:
nathankirchner wrote:
droolmaster0 wrote:Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files...

... Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.
Why do you want to be able to do that?
Why would I want to be able to use cool, ethnic scales? Is that a serious question? How about, 'because I like the way that they sound'?
:lol:

This would be a cool idea, you'd be able to achieve those cool middle eastern scales that use quarter steps instead of half steps.

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Post by Sequenox » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:30 am

Droolmaster: You may want to ask Paul Schreiber from Synthtech/MOTM about this.

The MOTM-650 is the closest thing I know to what you want. It has a few scales in it. But if there was a way to program scales into it, or if an update added scales to it, it would be perfecto for your application. And then you would have four channels of CV/Gate microtonal/ethnic scales!

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Re: I want a module that does this/microtuning

Post by dkcg » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:36 am

droolmaster0 wrote:Midi in, so that you can upload .tun or scala files, of which there are a huge number available. Capacity in the module should be very large.

Then simply it would quantize cv data to the chosen scale.

There are programs that do this with midi using pitchbend, and the motm 650 can upload one such scale and translate its midi input into that scale, but I want something better. Now.
I'm not sure if it's possible, but you might email the TetraMaps guys as ask if this is possible in a software update. It's CPU based, so it could be possible since there is onboard quantizing.

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Post by droolmaster0 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:55 am

Sequenox wrote:Droolmaster: You may want to ask Paul Schreiber from Synthtech/MOTM about this.

The MOTM-650 is the closest thing I know to what you want. It has a few scales in it. But if there was a way to program scales into it, or if an update added scales to it, it would be perfecto for your application. And then you would have four channels of CV/Gate microtonal/ethnic scales!
Did you read my original post? I mentioned the 650. I have the 650. I believe that you can have only one uploaded scale in it at a time. And because of the nature of the interface, you are mapping it to midi notes.

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