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Kent
Well, whaddaya know? It's very much possible.

Quite possible.

metasonix
Kent wrote:
Well, whaddaya know? It's very much possible.

Didn't say it wasn't possible at all, it's just not possible for me, esp. since people expect a whole raft of "special features" in a Metasonix product. This guy's kit is VERY minimal, even the cabinet has to be assembled. All it has is one volume control.

I feel truly sorry for the owners of Zeppelin Design Labs. They are trying to push into a market that has already had prices "crashed and burned" by cheap Chinese-made tube guitar amps like this one. $199 assembled and tested, with built-in speaker.

If we make another guitar amp, even a small low-power one, it has to be insane and bizarre. Accept no substitutes.

So help me out. Find a suitable inexpensive enclosure for such a product. Let's not use the molded plastic toolbox anymore, please. I've come to hate those things. They take up a LOT of space in a shipping box.
Cat-A-Tonic
I think a compressor based on the R-51 circuit would be nice.
YellowBlood
After just acquiring a Hellfire Modulator #12 SlayerBadger! I think there should be more Metasonix modulation. Eric would it be possible/and worth it to make a rack mounted modulation piece? Like the D-2000 with a R-56 reverb, a delay, and a ringmod? I would totally buy one, hell maybe even two if it was a possibility.
Kent
metasonix wrote:
So help me out. Find a suitable inexpensive enclosure for such a product. Let's not use the molded plastic toolbox anymore, please. I've come to hate those things. They take up a LOT of space in a shipping box.


Do you recall a couple of years ago when I mentioned that our mutual acquaintance, Mr. Belov, could be of help with precisely that?

We had been discussing something of approximately this size.

I can reconnect the dots if desired.
metasonix
Kent wrote:
Do you recall a couple of years ago when I mentioned that our mutual acquaintance, Mr. Belov, could be of help with precisely that?
We had been discussing something of approximately this size.

Guess you hadn't heard. Blackheart is basically a "zombie company". In 2009 when the parent company "Loud Technologies" nearly went under, thanks to the banking meltdown, they unloaded several properties and cut back on the others. Belov left "his" company, so he went over to Ampeg temporarily (because Ampeg is "a classic brand", it is in no danger of going under. Supposedly). If you see any Blackheart products for sale in a shop they are probably leftover stock. (Supposedly.)

http://www.musicincmag.com/News/2009/090122/090122_loud.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2008/12/15/daily15.html

Peter is looking for another job. So someone, please hire him.
http://belovgroup.com/About.html

I've seriously though about just buying those junky little Chinese amps and gutting them for the cabinet and other parts. Theoretically I could get them for wholesale prices (which aren't much less than the absurdly cheap retail prices now). The problems come in with the build quality, which is "variable at best", and the labor to disassemble and modify them. Plus the AC mains issue and getting UL approval. A rackmount enclosure of some kind would be more practical, with a 12v DC power inlet.

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Eric would it be possible/and worth it to make a rack mounted modulation piece? Like the D-2000 with a R-56 reverb, a delay, and a ringmod?

Not in one enclosure, sorry. Power-supply capacity issues. I might consider a separate processor. Depends (once again) on how sales go in the next few months.
Kent
Peter and I communicate quite frequently. He is currently employed. Perhaps guilty of not updating his website, alas.

Whether Blackheart is extant or not is not germane to the topic of obtaining high-value, cool and robust cabinets for a mini-head. Peter could easily offer input as to how to obtain cabinets on a small scale or even manufacturing a product for Metasonix on a larger scale if desired. He'd probably even tell me as a favour with no expense.

It feels like this discussion has run aground. I get the impression that no amount of prodding or excitement will light your fire about releasing a quirky little recording amplifier. I can understand not being excited about the project due to the G-1000. That's absolutely okay. I still think that you are neato, but this is going nowhere and, that too, is okay.
bsnssmn
I told Franz from Schneider's Laden about the phaser and he wants to buy one as well. I really believe a tube phaser with all the hallmark outrageousness of a Metasonix product could be a great success. Was thinking about a name. Due to the sound that a phaser makes, the word "lube" should be in there.
haugbui
I think a pre-assembled system like the ones from Make Noise or Pittsburgh Modular would be nice. All the modules are already there, just put them in a case. I do not know of this is something people want, but they seem to be kind of popular. Who knows, maybe it is a hit.
Kent
God damn, I came off like a prick I that last post. Gotta use lube next time.

In response to the prior post; I think that Eric has done this with the S-1000 and -2000 units. The KV-100 is also like this in regards to effects.
haugbui
SewerBadger wrote:

In response to the prior post; I think that Eric has done this with the S-1000 and -2000 units. The KV-100 is also like this in regards to effects.
Well, the difference is that a pre-assembled (modular) system such as the Make Noise Shared System is completely modular, and can be re-assembled later if you decide to do so. Could be a way to push more modules. Just an idea.
metasonix
An assembled system has been considered. One issue is, what to do about CV generators. Make our own and take abuse for making something "wrong", or buy someone else's and get abuse for using someone else's?

Another is where to source the cabinet (for a reasonable price whatever that means) blah blah.....we're just not set up to make cabinets from scratch, I don't have the time or the power tools or the labor available. Ideas are welcome.

I've watched many companies put out assembled systems. And I've seen people instantly bitch about them on Facebook and here. Too expensive and doesn't do this/that yaddayadda.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/euroracksynthesizers/permalink/1796877 213663273/

Not to mention the power-supply spluttering (this one features Peter Grenader) -- if we offered a case it would have to contain a substantial power supply and that would be another open door for being bitched at about weight and price etc. etc.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/111029938930272/permalink/169242070079 1180/

If only more people went into those dull FB groups and namedropped Metasonix more often. Or shit, ANYTHING that's abnormal. More interest means more sales means we will have $$ to offer a complete system.
metasonix
This is a really sad FB group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1082273058488596/

but it still has a long way to go before it reaches Gearslutz levels of bitchery
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electroni c-music-production/1148211-synths-other-gear-stupid-names.html

And now you know why we backed off on the outrageous names and panel art.
haugbui
metasonix wrote:
An assembled system has been considered. One issue is, what to do about CV generators. Make our own and take abuse for making something "wrong", or buy someone else's and get abuse for using someone else's?
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Another is where to source the cabinet (for a reasonable price whatever that means)
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Not to mention the power-supply spluttering.

Some of the assembled systems out there has a lot of CV generators, and some are just processing units. I think it would be best to have everything Metasonix, but it does not have to be too complex. A simple envelope maybe?

The aluminum skiffs from Make noise and Intellijel are low-cost, and something similar to that could work, although you would need a flightcase to protect the tubes travelling to gigs. I use an Amalgamod case. The lid protect the tubes, and they are lightweight. Only problem is they are located in Australia.

Regarding power-supplies, maybe a RKP Power System would be sufficient for smaller systems?

I have no idea if this would sell, but it could be a way to push more modules.
CopperHydra
Please make a chorus or phaser with feedback. It'd be worth paying $500 for.

A tape delay for $700 - $1500. OR $3000 if it sounds great.

Complete systems I think people want because they think of it as a wholesale lot of modules and many other reasons I'm sure, but I think you can build a better modular for much cheaper using mixed brands.
FatRocky
please make a simple Tube PreAmp with TONE CONTROL in RK format . CV input for Drive and tone control
ccastellanossf
Didn't Monorocket make a case with the size and PSU specifically tailored for Metasonix modules? I would love a rugged suitcase style, 12U case like that. Hope they start making cases again soon. Maybe that is an area to pursue a partnership?
sizone
metasonix wrote:

And now you know why we backed off on the outrageous names and panel art.


ehnnn, a lot of the names people are complaining about on the gearslutz thread are attatched to things that sold really well.

maybe make something called the metasonic infrasonic or the meatsonic. people buy things with puns on the company name used as the product name even if gearslutz posters don't like them.
luchog
metasonix wrote:
And now you know why we backed off on the outrageous names and panel art.


Eh, I like the names and art; but can understand why they'd put some people off. (And I want that Horse Fucker partly for the art.)

The problem with pretty much any web forum or social media site is that there is always a cadre of posters whose primary purpose is to complain about stuff. That said, there were some complaints I'd consider valid (eg. with regard to allowing younger children to use the equipment).
Yes Powder
metasonix wrote:
And now you know why we backed off on the outrageous names and panel art.

somespergongearslutz wrote:
We're dealing with technical stuff here, let's have technical names.

Thank you for reminding me why I never go on Gearslutz. I can't stand the insufferable levels of pretension.

Funny thing is that it was the outrageousness of your old stuff that initially got me interested, specifically way back (2004, I think?) when Propellerhead Software had a picture of you from NAMM holding an Agonizer unit.

I love the new stuff and miss the old marketing and designs, but I totally understand that being willing to market yourself to squares is part of being successful Miley Cyrus
metasonix
I should post that Gearslutz thread on Facebook. It has a remarkably high percentage of trolls babbling pointlessly....
sizone
heathkit ec-1 clone
the365post
It would be very interesting to see what Metasonix can do in the Video Synth domain SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!
... Maybe a CRT Type buffer for video .. ? to warm up the video signal Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana Dead Banana
.. Since CRT Monitors are no longer in production ..
very frustrating very frustrating very frustrating
Carl Hungus
Personally I would love a racked Metasonix product as a FSU device for DAW/“pro audio” processing.
2-4U that can sit under my Culture Vulture that I can process recorded tracks with Metasonix flavor.
Rack-able with other gear.

I don’t always want to bother with patching or running cables across the studio, format jumbling etc. I also like the integrated signal flow of the Assblaster.

So in my dream land, something that combines the filtering of my TM6/2, and distortion of Scrotum Smasher, Agonizer and Buttprobe with some fun adds twists like feedback/teabag switches, pulsars etc.

Maybe it’s like a mega Hellfire device?

Keep up the great work Eric

thumbs up
Robscorch
I would love to see a small 4-8 channel mixer all tube power. Even better if it has some CV control over it.

screaming goo yo
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