Is the Snazzy FX Wow & Flutter a BBD or digital?

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Is the Snazzy FX Wow & Flutter a BBD or digital?

Post by magisterludi » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:07 pm

Is the Wow & Flutter delay based on a BBD or is it all emulated digitally?

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Post by JohnLRice » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:16 pm

I think wow can be emulated with BBDs but flutter might only be digital? :hmm: I'm not sure. I know any of the devices I've had that do wow and/or flutter are all digital.

Edit: maybe flutter could be emulated with a simple analog VCA and a semi-random oscillator? :hmm:

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Post by ThinLazy » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:27 pm

My guess would be that there is a PT2399 in there,
in which case its digital

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Post by JohnLRice » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:49 pm

Oh, sorry, is there a module or pedal called the "Wow & Flutter"? I thought you were just talking conceptually.

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:06 pm

yes, BOTH pedal and module:
http://snazzyfx.com/wow.html
http://www.analoguehaven.com/snazzyfx/w ... reurorack/

prolly, not a bad idea to include the maker's name in the subject. (although, it IS in the SNAZZY FX Forum) guess a lot of us just look at "new posts" and don't notice what forum it is.
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Post by parasitk » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:09 pm

thetwlo wrote:yes, BOTH pedal and module:
http://snazzyfx.com/wow.html
http://www.analoguehaven.com/snazzyfx/w ... reurorack/

prolly, not a bad idea to include the maker's name in the subject.
Though, it is in the Snazzy FX subforum. :party:

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Post by ignatius » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:09 pm

JohnLRice wrote:Oh, sorry, is there a module or pedal called the "Wow & Flutter"? I thought you were just talking conceptually.
http://www.analoguehaven.com/snazzyfx/w ... reurorack/

also a pedal

http://www.analoguehaven.com/snazzyfx/wowandflutter/

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as for if it's analog or digital??? i have no idea.. i have one.. it sounds great.. sounds analog to me though.

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:12 pm

parasitk wrote:
Though, it is in the Snazzy FX subforum. :party:
sorry, noticed that right after I posted! and edited before I saw your post, I assume JLR didn't notice that either.
I just just look at "posts since last vist" usually. So, easy to miss.

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:15 pm

would love to hear more samples of this one, and also curious what chips are inside--always assumed MN(BBD) but are they PT?

based on features this should be the analog delay of choice in euro. So, curious why it's not more popular than it is, or is it?

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Post by magisterludi » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:22 pm

I think I'm getting one regardless of the answer but I am still curious. Probably the lack of information means it is digital through and through as the presence BBDs is usually mentioned (as it is sort of a selling point for some).

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Post by magisterludi » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:25 pm

I edited the OP so there would be no confusion about what I meant by Wow & Flutter.

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:33 pm

cool, post a demo on tube! with 1000+ views you get 25% off your next module from them! cheap advertising. fulfillment may vary based on manufacturer.

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Post by ignatius » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:37 pm

i posted this a long time ago.. it's not an amazing demo or anything just noodling..

the parameter ranges are nicely spec'd and can go pretty wide and you can get some outright garbled pitched things happening and all manner of slurred slop...

[video][/video]

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:00 pm

[quote="ignatius"]i posted this a long time ago.. [quote]

thanks! that really doesn't sound like a BBD? should be easy to look at the chips, on the module version at least.

sounds nothing like a BBD on a second listen. :hmm:

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Post by ignatius » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:06 pm

thetwlo wrote:
ignatius wrote:i posted this a long time ago..
thanks! that really doesn't sound like a BBD? should be easy to look at the chips, on the module version at least.

sounds nothing like a BBD on a second listen. :hmm:
it's supposed to sound like some kind of tape based device but i don't know if it does.. i just like what it does.. if you read the description in the product info it's all in there as far as what he's going for w/the design.

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:07 pm

it's sounds great, but doesn't sound like a bbd.

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Post by ignatius » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:11 pm

thetwlo wrote:it's sounds great, but doesn't sound like a bbd.
yeah. i don't know why it would?

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:21 pm

ignatius wrote:
thetwlo wrote:it's sounds great, but doesn't sound like a bbd.
yeah. i don't know why it would?
well, so it's NOT A BBD? ok, the info seems vague. So it's digital. that's what we were after. thx.

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:35 pm

ignatius wrote: yeah. i don't know why it would?
if it was ANALOG that's about all it could sound like, as we know it's not tape, wire, or oil can. others?

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Post by ignatius » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:46 pm

thetwlo wrote:
ignatius wrote:
thetwlo wrote:it's sounds great, but doesn't sound like a bbd.
yeah. i don't know why it would?
well, so it's NOT A BBD? ok, the info seems vague. So it's digital. that's what we were after. thx.
lols.. i don't know either way... but i don't read "bbd" anywhere in it.. i don't know about building these things but is using BBDs the thing to do if going after all kinds of tape wobble type stuff?

anyway.. there's some info in this old thread if you pick through it..

viewtopic.php?t=67168&start=all&postday ... torder=asc

here's the bread board version of it

[video][/video]

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:02 pm

ignatius wrote: lols.. i don't know either way... but i don't read "bbd" anywhere in it.. i don't know about building these things but is using BBDs the thing to do if going after all kinds of tape wobble type stuff?
names on the chips is all we were after. it's not going to say "BBD" on it.
anyone else?

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Post by sauce » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:37 pm

I'm having too much fun with mine in this patch right now to pull out of the rack!

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Post by thetwlo » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:32 pm

so it's the Princeton chip, yes, Dan?

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Post by ignatius » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:00 pm

thetwlo wrote:
ignatius wrote: lols.. i don't know either way... but i don't read "bbd" anywhere in it.. i don't know about building these things but is using BBDs the thing to do if going after all kinds of tape wobble type stuff?
names on the chips is all we were after. it's not going to say "BBD" on it.
anyone else?
i meant "read" as in read in the product description. i haven't looked at the back of the module.. it's involved.. in the rack currently.

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Post by ndkent » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:24 am

FYI wow is an analog tape term dealing with pitch speed discrepancies changing in the subsonic range. Pitch as in not steady fluctuation. I'm not talking about proper pitch shift which stays put. Flutter is the same idea but the change is at an audio rate. As for the module,it's clearly trying to evoke that but of course via CV and no tape.

BBD is clocked, not motor driven. Roland infamously called one of their 70s BBD units a "Digital Chorus" since presumably the stages aspect, though analog storage does chop the sound up at the clocked rate

Don't own a wow and flutter but have heard it. Definitely not BBD and would surely be played up it it was due to performance and cost. Still well worth checking out for modulated delays using cv

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