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BugBrand
I don't usually post too much for discussion during development, but thought I could see what people think this time. Maybe I'm unsure on demand, maybe I realise already there should be some changes, maybe I just want to experiment with discussion..

First off, just to be clear - this project isn't really a main focus for me at the moment - I've bandied around ideas of Matrix Mixers for several years (there was the 4x4 in the modular line and I almost got going on a very big mixer collaboration project a few years back..). So, don't yet count on this actually ever reaching fruition - and anything will likely be some way off anyways. (did I kill the buzz enough already?!). As I said, partly I'm interested to see if people are interested!

I've seen a few PASSIVE Matrix Mixers appearing of late. But for proper fidelity and control, I really think ACTIVE is the only way - just as with regular mixers.
How big? Well, you'll almost always want more inputs than outputs (so some can be used as effects returns most likely).
Does a 6 x 4 provide enough, but not too much?

This initial iteration has:
- input preamps for line level signals (fine with modular though AC coupled, of course) + simple clip level leds (at this stage, keeping it simple)
- 24 knob matrix
- output buffer / level controls

Having tried this, I do feel already there is need for:
- improved signal level indication - 2 or more leds per input and maybe the same for each output.
- still doubtful about whether phase and/or boost/pad switches may be good
- maybe impedance balance the outputs.
- scribble space (white rectangles) on the panel to note input/outputs.

One other thought would be to treat the lower two rows differently - change one row to PAN and the other to LEVEL. Saying that, same could be done for the upper two rows too. It is a subtle but perhaps useful difference.

Oh and I haven't yet tried any form of zener/diode level limiting - something I've used a bit of in recent designs & which could well be useful here - - definitely something for me to try in the next stage.

The build size is twice the length of my current standalones (ie. 6 FracWidth) with internal DCDC power conversion. Decent, but not over-the-top-$$$ opamps inside.

I don't think anything really exists along these lines at present?

(sorry for the slightly shitty picture)
flippantminister
i would definitely be interested in an active matrix mixer. i had a passive one for a while and it didnt work for me. 6x4 would be sufficient. signal level leds would be a rad bonus. and having all this in bugbrand blue would be a major selling point.
numan7
thumbs up sounds very, very interesting to me!

hmmm..... 6 x 4 means i can patch it as 4 x 2 with 2 channels of feedback (that can be routed through a pair of vcas, for example). that should be sufficient for my purposes, although i wouldn't if there were another pair of inputs.

i would be really keen on mute switches, for each input-output pairing.

and i am curious about how having one row of level pots and another row of pan pots would work - does it become a 6 x 2 mixer then?

cheers
dadek
super-interested. i have a matrix, and would much rather deal with an active mixer.
i'd love a way to link, for a 12x4 or just a bigger one.
Zeitdehner
8_)
hmmm.....

6x4 seems like a sensible size for the matrix, the same as the Hordijk one I use.
Would be cool though to be able to input DC signals as well as AC signals, and to have bi-polar level control over the nodes (matrix intersections)...must be technically feasible, I think ( maybe the cost would get kind of prohibitive...)
Oh, and double up inputs and outputs with bananas and 1/4" jacks (or 1/8" jacks) to be able to crosspatch banana modulars, jack modulars and outboard gear ... that's what I'm gonna do by modding a passive matrix mixer Mr. Green

Also, it feels more natural to me to have input level controls at the "bottom" of the unit...but this is just a matter of getting used to...

thumbs up
pugix
I wonder if 6 inputs is too many. I recently built some DIY active matrix mixers. (I color coded the jacks according to BugBrand!)

http://pugix.com/synth/the-blue-panel/

I considered a 6 by 4, but then asked myself how often I would want to actually mix 6 signals together. I ended up making a 4 x 4 and a 4 x 2. That gave me 8 inputs and 6 outputs and seemed more flexible (not to mention that it fit my panel space well). I think in stand-alone I would prefer to have two 4 x 4, rather than a 6 x 4.

I do like the idea of master input and output level controls (your yellow and green knobs) for the columns and rows, although I think the master input level controls might be the more useful of the two, if I had to limit panel space.
BugBrand
Choice of 6 ins / 4 outs well..
I was seeing that as 3 or 4 mono sources, 2 effects sends/returns and stereo output. (maybe I'm thinking too boring though..)

As I say (replying to Richard/Pugix) - I do think you tend to need more inputs due to effects returns.

The PAN idea mentioned - no, doesn't make it a 6 x 2 - works like on a 2-buss mixer, for example -- so pan to LEFT for channel 1, pan to right for channel 2. This'd make the lower 2 channels more easily useable for standard stereo setup. (perhaps?!)

Linking -- yeah, dunno... I'm generally liking thinking in self-contained approaches at the moment.
Mute Switches -- yes, maybe..

AC/DC -- DC doesn't really make sense when you have preamps etc - this is designed for line signals - modular AUDIO signals will work fine, but modular CV signals don't make sense for it. (passive matrix is fine for that, actually)

Cheers so far.
tIB
Mute switches and ouput blinknelights would make me happy.

I wonder if a lesser specced/slimmer CV matrix mixer might be a useful thing to have in the standalone format? (perhaps even just a couple of a similar design to the dual DC mixer)

Anyway, interested to see where this ends up... I hope to be in for one.
otoskope
6x4 is a good size. I'm a bit hesitant about making the lower 2 output tracks a stereo track by having Level+Pan instead of two levels. In theory you can do the same things, but you interact with it differently. Maybe it would be good, allowing it to be used as a normal mixer with two sends, ans you say, Tom. Maybe it complicates the more wild matrix-specific uses.

Bananas+jacks would certainly be a plus for us bananaheads. I'd love to have a mixer like this as the output stage on my modular...

You could add a bus connector for a flat cable on the PCB to allow for channel expansion. Shouldn't complicate the circuit too much (but I'm no expert).

Regarding zener limiting - might be a nice feature, but a bit off target. I think high headroom is more important.

/Palle
cebec
otoskope wrote:


Bananas+jacks would certainly be a plus for us bananaheads. I'd love to have a mixer like this as the output stage on my modular...

/Palle


I second that!
ear ear
This would be great! smile Yes to banana and 1/4", balanced outs, and some scope for inversion/feedback.
KNYST
pugix wrote:
http://pugix.com/synth/the-blue-panel/

Don't know if it's just the photo, but those nanas look extra colourful... What brand are those, and where did you buy 'em?
pugix
Johnson/Emerson banana jacks from Mouser. Green part #530-1080904-1. Photoshop enhanced. Mr. Green
KNYST
^
Johnson/Emersons? Now that's some serious Photoshopping hihi

Cheers
soup
Yes please.
numan7
BugBrand wrote:
Mute Switches -- yes, maybe..


w00twe're not worthy hooray, tho i would also be just fine with the original design shown on p1 (esp if items such as click/thud-free operation of the switches adds signiciantly to product cost and development time - knowing BugBrand! tho, i think i can solidly hope for clever solutions).

cheers
BugBrand
Funny - I was just thinking on the bus back to Bristol today that I'd not progressed at all with the matrix ideas and wondered if anyone would notice sometime.. !!
opsysbug
I'm still in love with the Matrix Mixer!

Happy Xmas Tom!
numan7
:tu: i actually woke up thinking about the :bugbrand: matrix this morning (i believe it came in at the end of a dream concerning ciat-lonbarde instruments, where i had too many outputs that i wanted to mix).... anyways, happy winter holidays all!

cheers
slow_riot
matrix mixing is great. imo it works best with level control on the inputs and using switches to add an input onto a specified output rather than a bank of pots. becomes a very usable calculator in that instance!

my Hinton SwitchMix is very well designed. I use the Trimmer module before hand, and each input is automatically daisychained to the the input below it. There are also switches to invert these inputs.
wednesdayayay
I'm looking for a matrix mixer solution currently for my ciat lonbarde setup. I love your current standalone solutions I'll have to watch your site It's motherfucking bacon yo
diasporos
wednesdayayay wrote:
I'm looking for a matrix mixer solution currently for my ciat lonbarde setup. I love your current standalone solutions I'll have to watch your site It's motherfucking bacon yo


Have you checked out the Repeater Electronics matrices? Passive 4x4. I have two and they are great for CL gear though some amplification after the signal helps.
wednesdayayay
what do you use to amp?
Kalerne
Dear Bug,

Do you still have plan to work on this matrix mixer ?
BugBrand
Unfortunately it seems to be an area I only occasionally come back to - I did have another bash at ideas over the summer, but still no real progress. (I have far too many such ideas stuck in early-stage limbo..)
BugBrand
Had a look again last night.

Current thinking is 5 x 5.

Balanced in with gain control, switch for invert/mute, peak LED.
5x5 matrix
Channel summing with gain control, mute switch, peak LED and impedance balanced output.

I wonder how much demand there'd be for a nice quality audio matrix? Guessing it'd be relatively niche, but as there's nothing much out there...
orz
Would love an audio matrix! Especially a nice quality, fairly compact one. (I think the mixer section on the SV is really handy, not only for the internal sounds.)

EDIT: Oops, accidentally wrote a bunch of stuff about the synthvoice. Wrong topic.
indexofmetals
I'd definitely jump at one of these. I've been using mult boxes and some old boss 4->1 mixer boxes but usually too much of a headache.
otoskope
Tom, you know I'm a matrix addict, so I'd definitely get one. It would be a great hub for a system based on your red line of processors, but please make sure it can accept modular level inputs, too, if you decide to actually make it!

Even better if you made it bigger, like 8x8, but that would probably require a different frame format, with lots of complications.

/Palle
sungja
I`d pick up one for sure.
BugBrand
Yes, any matrix idea currently is for 1/4" AC-coupled work - with variable preamp (of course able to take +/-5V input). Red boxes or any other line level studio gear - absolutely.

I guess I could consider a matrix in a future Modular Frame, DC coupled, invertable etc, but let's leave that for now.

Even this one would require a new frame design - but just a stretch of the existing ones - 6FW, rather than the current 3 or 5FW.
I did try to fit something in 5FW, but felt the need for features and avoiding excessive cramp.
I have certainly considered other size custom enclosures, but don't really want to scratch that itch just yet.
indexofmetals
even when I had to sell 2/3's of the bug I still kept the 4 bug matrix mixers (grouped in pairs) as a lot of the time I don't really repatch anymore, just change matrix settings. Having that for integrating with the red devices would as Palle said be great
wednesdayayay
a thousand times yes
I'm getting ready to DIY a passive option but ultimately I know I'll want something like what you are talking about
dadek
SlayerBadger! of much interest, would love to replace my current matrix mixing solution with this.
Kalerne
If the price is not too high (I know it's very subjective), I'd be very interested. Oh, and... please don't red. Keep blue for this one. :-)
seeasound
Its a yes from me twisted
wednesdayayay
lots and lots of vca's I bet isn't super cheap
I would pay a pretty penny happily to wiggle into the buggy bug world

the only thing I don't quite understand is the inverted bit
having never really had the capability to invert audio signals what is the usefulness of this?

also as big fan of ciat-lonbarde my gear is all based around 0-10v would the 5-10v just get clipped in your current design?

or would the preamp be able to dial it back to acceptable levels?
Rockin' Banana! so very excited
BugBrand
Yeah, it isn't VCAs - that'd be something much more complex.
Just multiple repetitions of nice quality low noise analogue circuitry.

I'm not entirely sure on the Inverting - I've always thought it necessary in such designs (all my designs are phase consistent, but you never know with all other gear). It is a relatively simple addition which I feel could be missed otherwise - and there's always the possibility of it being used for interesting stuff. Saying that, I never really used the inverting option on the COFilter.

Regarding 0-10V - the inputs will be AC coupled, so remains at the standard 10V PtoP amplitude. I tend to design around that as internal desired level so you'd just set the preamps to 0dB (maybe I'll actually get around to marking such things on the panels..).

I'd imagine it would be red - it is a line device, so that would fit with my sorts of standard approaches.
otoskope
Inverting can also do a huge difference when working with feedback in creative ways SlayerBadger!
Gringo Starr
otoskope wrote:
Inverting can also do a huge difference when working with feedback in creative ways SlayerBadger!


Introverting makes the hugest difference with creative ways though. wink
otoskope
Try both at the same time! Nothing beats that. wink
BugBrand
Well, managed to squeeze a test design & layout out... Pretty intense!
Will order some test boards shortly.
wednesdayayay
oooooooh yes this is exciting saving up some scrumples Miley Cyrus
BugBrand
Usual proviso of don't hold your breath just yet!

Though have now ordered test board & panel.
leeski
i''d love one of these mixers thumbs up
Kalerne
Really looking forward !
soup
Yes please!

b/w

One of the nice things about the Auxpander is each output has it's own full scale input so 2 or more can be chained together. With all the connections on a panel one input for each output might not be too feasible but even 1 or 2 would open up a lot of possibilities. The problem with matrix mixers is you quickly run out of inputs when you start wanting aux returns.
vasculator
definitely interested in this. looks great.
BugBrand
Worth noting that the (very pixelated) pic on the 1st post is out of date (2013!) - the layout has changed quite a bit, most importantly it is now a 5x5 matrix.

Yes, I thought a lot about numbers of channels - 5x5 is probably only suitable for relatively small setups (as Soup says, returns quickly eat up inputs). Maybe down the line I would do a bigger design such as 10ins, 6 outs - but as mentioned, it'd require some extra design needs like custom case, so not suitable for me for now. Start small!
indexofmetals
would this be in the DRM & expander size case?
BugBrand
6FW.
I'll just cojoin two 3FW cases for prototyping, but will get new 6FW cases if it moves towards production (think 6FW could work for the long toothed StereoPEQ - so a useful new size case to get into production).
ear ear
Would definitely buy one.

Inverting good for feedback explorations. Guinness ftw!
depth20
Yes! I've been looking for an active standalone matrixmixer for ages! Count me in!
shwanton
Bumping the thread! I'm looking for a similar matrix mixer.
BugBrand
Ah, it progressed and paused again - made 2 prototypes, but I personally wasn't feeling it with that current design approach.
I've been pretty happy with the panel layout approach, but the physical arrangements of the circuitry behind is quite tricky.
chrisdermo
I'm guessing this is still on the backburner? Considering getting a metalbox 4x4 matrix mixer to use with the Bugs
BugBrand
I'm actually using my proto at the moment, but really just as a stereo mixer with 2 aux sends. I'm always tempted by matrix ideas, but never gel with them in practice.

Edit - realised I never put up a pic of the last proto, so here it is..
Kind of silly that I can design and build a whole prototype like this and then shelve it all - but I do learn along the way. Nice specs - balanced I/O, phase switches, quality components etc. But I would rather have more input channels, lose one output and turn the lower two into a L/R pair with pan controls.

chrisdermo
Yep, I'd have grabbed that in a snap! thumbs up
The 4x4 metalbox one feels kind of vanilla.... but looks to be the only available matrix mixer in frac at the moment.
otoskope
I could chime in, since I am a matrix junkie and I have the other prototype of this green wonder.

There is something special with a pure matrix, allowing any routing combination, not presupposing anything about how it should be used. That is great for feedback experiments, additive CV stuff, complex fx routing etc.

On the other hand, what you now describe, Tom, is more like a master mixer for the modular. It would indeed be convenient, but less a matrix. There are also matrix mixers centered around the LRpan paradigm, on all channels, of course.

I use mine mostly for fx routing in my analog fx modular (all bugs). But I have also used it as a master mixer for the modular a few times.

I have to agree that I work more and more with stero synthesis and processing, and then five is far to few, and mono sends wouldn't cut it either.

Where's that 8x8 matrix monster you were working on a few years ago, Tom? I would love such a thing.

Oh, and Allen & Heath's excellent matrix mixer, the Wizard 12m, has selectable mono or LRpan configurations for all channels - using the same knobs. I guess that complicates matters quite a bit. But it is very practical.

In your green matrix, Tom, I appreciate the input and output levels. Phase is not so crucial to me (except for CV, but I think it is AC coupled, isn't it?). It matters in some feedback configurations, of course.

I have said it before, and I say it again - I think you should start making this, Tom, in one form or another - also as a desktop unit, it would greatly help the "noise devices on a table" crowd, and they are quite a few. As well as make modularists happy!
indexofmetals
I definitely would like to see a standalone matrix mixer. I'm using a buchla 205 clone with various pedals but something that utilised 1/4" jacks would be better.

On the modular side I always have 2 or 3 in my bugbrand setup and wouldn't want to live without them.
ninGiaBoom
I'm also interested in a matrix mixer, because I gave up my old console (it was too big for my actual room) and I find it aways interesting...on the net I found this ones, extremely pricy probably because they're built with mic preamp and eq inside...

http://www.ex-o.co.jp/mat-55.htm

otherwise who produces matrix mixers nowadays??? they're quite rare as standalone because they're normally embedded in mixing consoles...or am I missing something?
OPT
I’d definitely go for a desktop matrix mixer (active). Just what I’m looking for...
odditymedium
tom, are you still thinking about this?

i'd be in for a 8x8 (maybe standalone?) matrix mixer with both bananas and 1/4 jack inputs and outputs (is this even possible?). this would let me mix and match between modular ins/outs, and other gear coming in and out. this would mean 4 stereo ins with 4 stereo auxes (or 8 dual mono...)

also, could anyone explain exactly how you use your matrix mixers? or a bird's eye view of why they are so useful?

from this link: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-4x4-matrix-mixer-fx-junkies-you-n eed-to-see-this.990222/ i kindof understand but not entirely...
BugBrand
I still have a love-hate relationship with matrix ideas.
Latest proposal is to keep it banana/modular - ie. not add the complexity of 1/4" / preamps etc.
I still personally live with an external 'proper' mixer next to my setups, so this design is much more focused on mixing within a modular setup.
Pure DC coupled with polarity switching / muting for each control - 6 in, 4 out::: (picture a little rough around the edges - labels / details etc)

odditymedium
tom, i am down for one. do you have it on the horizon sometime?

also, why do you dislike matrix ideas, i'm curious because maybe i'm being naive about how wonderful they are
chrisdermo
Love this idea. Biggest thing for me with the old one was needing mutes per pot rather than per input. Perfect!
One of these with a couple of dual preamps, some processing modules and an output mixer could easily satisfy those that want to process non-bugs audio.

Personally I’d only want to matrix mix within the modular as well so this is great!
odditymedium
chris, which are the processing modules?

also tom, could this work towards quadraphony somehow?
lud
That looks very awesome Tom!
chrisdermo
odditymedium wrote:
chris, which are the processing modules?


Any module that can be used to process / transform another sound razz
Filters, LPGs, Ring Mods, Bugcrushers, VCAs, Wavefolders, Oscillator FM, Crossover Filter, PT Delay, Spring Tanker etc etc
tIB
I really like the look of this - love sequencing with matrix mixers and imagine having mute per knob being interesting. Maybe my first new blue module, should it make it...
batchas
BugBrand wrote:
...more focused on mixing within a modular setup.
Pure DC coupled with polarity switching / muting for each control - 6 in, 4 out:::

This is some kind of serious matrix mixer you have here applause

I do not use my old blue matrix mixer because of the difficulty to get the 0 point on the pot in the middle, but on this new layout, with these switches for polarity and mute for each pot, it looks IMHO like the best solution for a powerful module.
6 inputs each is a lot hihi
Maybe you need the ability to mute the main outs too Mr. Green Just kidding!
shred
not for me really, as I would prefer to use a standalone mixer for end of the signal path and i need more modulation sources to begin with... but chiming in to say it looks great and I still want one! lol
BugBrand
Yeah, I hope to move forwards with it sometime soon. I do think it would be a useful block for bigger systems.

Quadraphonic - it is four channel, but I never really looked in to such usages.

6 input channels - I always think you need a couple for routing returns - four is never quite enough.

Mutes - I know - it is a lot of switches, but I think it is the natural way.
castano
Quadraphonic - I have a Koma poltergeist
but would like it to be in Bugbrand format!
I like the idea of the matrix mixer
BugBrand
Proto boards ordered at least..
/\/\/\/
that looks amazing actually... is it 5FW? Would definitely make for a nice junction in a large system, maybe make patching a little easier too
DickMarker
Looks very cool Tom!
One thing I've found myself needing recently is an offset voltage source - any chance something like that could be incorporated into this design?
BugBrand
Yes, 5FW

Voltage source - I'd not overly considered that here but do have on in a simple 1FW DC Mixer that has been designed for a while, just haven't pushed to production yet. 3 channels - top two offer inversion via switch, while the bottom one has either positive input or input from volt-source.
odditymedium
how can a voltage source be used musically
lud
odditymedium wrote:
how can a voltage source be used musically


1v/Oct input on a synth amongst other voltage controlled tricks. Not that any of my efforts sound musical in a melodic sense. Is that what you meant? Anyway seems a bit off topic!

Hope this makes it out into the wild Tom, looks super Rockin' Banana!
Kafgee
Rockin' Banana!
Need a proto for my system hihi
BugBrand
It will be, of course, blue.
BananaPlug
BugBrand wrote:
Voltage source - I'd not overly considered that here but do have on in a simple 1FW DC Mixer that has been designed for a while, just haven't pushed to production yet. 3 channels - top two offer inversion via switch, while the bottom one has either positive input or input from volt-source.


Sounds good. Center off for the switches?
DickMarker
BugBrand wrote:
Yes, 5FW

Voltage source - I'd not overly considered that here but do have on in a simple 1FW DC Mixer that has been designed for a while, just haven't pushed to production yet. 3 channels - top two offer inversion via switch, while the bottom one has either positive input or input from volt-source.


That sounds neat - looking forward to all these new designs!
BugBrand
Proto works just fine:::



I'll add the design to the To-Do list.

BananaPlug wrote:
Center off for the switches?


Yes, absolutely
T. Jervell
Niiiceeee love
lud
Hell yeah! we're not worthy
chrisdermo
Beautiful. Definitely a great choice to keep all the sockets up top with so many knobs, it's a nice big clear space to get tweaking. w00t
sungja
5fw? Could be very handy for any banan setup. thumbs up
chrisdermo
sungja wrote:
5fw? Could be very handy for any banan setup. thumbs up


That's what I had thought - especially in banana worlds where attenuators or even on/off switches aren't generally used - Ciat Lonbarde.
I had so much fun cross patching CL Tetrax and Synthvoice, one of these inbetween the two would've been pure fire. Dead Banana
DickMarker
Proto looks great Tom. Rough idea on price? Have had to tighten my belt of late but would like to budget for this.
sungja
All those pots and switches will not be cheap i think.
sungja
Ciat lonbarde could really need this matrix. I can imagine the plumbutter or coco with this nanners
BugBrand
sungja wrote:
All those pots and switches will not be cheap i think.


Switches are the main killer, yes.
T. Jervell
Thinking of putting this in a 5FW frame. Use it with both Bugs and other banana gear, but also use it stand alone in a sort if «no input mixer» feedback style. I think the switches will come in super handy with this type of patching cool

But then again, migh also end up getting another 11FW frame, even though I told myself I was going to settle with my current setup d'oh!
soup
This look great. It's fun to see how the design has progressed over the years.
castano
great! it's happening smile
time to start saving up for it
seeasound
Yes this will be a super fun way to link up my small bug and buchla systems and looking forward to discovering what the world of feedback mixing is all about too as ive heard so much about it.
Vcoadsr
Some how missed this thread, the prototype looks fantastic and matrix mixers are something I'm becoming more and more interested in from a feedback perspective largely due to the CL plumbutter & how you can create interesting feedback loops in that. Will almost certainly go for this once ready!
otoskope
Looks great, as usual. A basic thing to have, but oh so useful. The old 4x4 was great too, but I guess those -0+ switches will make zeroing much easier. And more channels is yum.
GryphonP3
BugBrand wrote:
sungja wrote:
All those pots and switches will not be cheap i think.


Switches are the main killer, yes.


I personally would prefer to just have attenuverters if it would save a lot on production and end cost. The matrix here is definitely the strong point, and attenuverters would give the same bipolar end result as switches, no?

Anyway I am loving the progress of this module and it will fill a big gap in my banana system wink)
T. Jervell
Well attenuverters are ok, but as otoskope pointed out:
otoskope wrote:
-0+ switches will make zeroing much easier.

I used to own a Doepfer matrix mixer and it was a nightmare to find the zero spot. So I have to say that the switches are very, very nice to have hihi
rico loverde
T. Jervell wrote:
Well attenuverters are ok, but as otoskope pointed out:
otoskope wrote:
-0+ switches will make zeroing much easier.

I used to own a Doepfer matrix mixer and it was a nightmare to find the zero spot. So I have to say that the switches are very, very nice to have hihi
agreed, def like the switches even if it means a higher cost
BugBrand
I wouldn't have put the switches on if I didn't think them necessary!

Would push this ahead, but again experiencing poor performance from people making PCB panels - so having to hunt around *again*.
shred
any updates on this? the more I think about it the more I want it!
BugBrand
I ordered panels (trying a new place again) so need to push the circuit board order through before too long.
shred
thanks, Tom! looking forward to it
T. Jervell
BugBrand wrote:
I ordered panels (trying a new place again) so need to push the circuit board order through before too long.


w00t w00t!! nanners
dogoftears
hm, this might be fun to use as a main audio mixer for inside the bug...
would be cool if you could fit jack outputs on there!

either way... it's one of the nicer matrix mixers i've seen.
Kafgee
It's peanut butter jelly time! Rockin' Banana!
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