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Post by gddfp » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:53 am

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decaying.sine wrote:Did anyone get a glimpse of the TDA2030 footprint on the PCB? I Thought I saw a pic with heat sinks, but now I can't find it.
The first pic had the 2030's and heat sinks mounted horizontally, with the sinks protruding from the edges of the board. Later pics (proto 2) showed them with a vertical footprint, where the back of the sink (probably) aligns with the PCB edge.

Just a regular 5-pin footprint (two rows of 3 pins and 2 pins offset).
Thanks gddfp. That is just the type of description I wanted.
This, of course, is information I gathered from looking at the pics published so far... No real board in front of me [duh], so your- and my mileage may vary. :eek:

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Post by decaying.sine » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:55 am

gddfp wrote:
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gddfp wrote:
decaying.sine wrote:Did anyone get a glimpse of the TDA2030 footprint on the PCB? I Thought I saw a pic with heat sinks, but now I can't find it.
The first pic had the 2030's and heat sinks mounted horizontally, with the sinks protruding from the edges of the board. Later pics (proto 2) showed them with a vertical footprint, where the back of the sink (probably) aligns with the PCB edge.

Just a regular 5-pin footprint (two rows of 3 pins and 2 pins offset).
Thanks gddfp. That is just the type of description I wanted.
This, of course, is information I gathered from looking at the pics published so far... No real board in front of me [duh], so your- and my mileage may vary. :eek:
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Post by flts » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:28 am

plord wrote:Some excerpts from the gigantor thread that may be useful. I TOTALLY NEGLECTED TO SAVE THE ATTRIBUTIONS FOR THESE ANSWERS BUT ALL CREDIT GOES TO OTHER WIGGLERS, AND I, SPECIFICALLY, SUCK.
Thanks! I shortened and added the information to the first post, still haven't managed to go through all the old posts and gather info myself. I'll have to add a "I, SPECIFICALLY, SUCK" disclaimer to that one as well. :lol:
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Post by roglok » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:45 am

here's a hint for those (europeans?) having trouble sourcing the Peerless speakers (or not willing to shell out :75: for a pair of speakers):

check out the 3.3" broadband range of german manufacturer Visaton

i just ordered a pair of magnetically shielded F8SC for ~€10 each. those are not high-end, but supposedly decent speakers. should be a bang for the buck type of deal. i've compared the hole arrangement - they should be drop-in replacements.

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Post by gddfp » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:13 am

roglok wrote:here's a hint for those (europeans?) having trouble sourcing the Peerless speakers (or not willing to shell out :75: for a pair of speakers):

check out the 3.3" broadband range of german manufacturer Visaton

i just ordered a pair of magnetically shielded F8SC for ~€10 each. those are not high-end, but supposedly decent speakers. should be a bang for the buck type of deal. i've compared the hole arrangement - they should be drop-in replacements.
Hey Roglok, thanks for the pointer !
On the Visaton site, the price for the F 8 SC 8ohm seems to be 13.34 € /p. Did you find them somewhere else cheaper ?

And also, where did you get the technical drawing for the TTSH, with mounting holes et all ?

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Post by roglok » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:19 am

gddfp wrote: On the Visaton site, the price for the F 8 SC 8ohm seems to be 13.34 € /p. Did you find them somewhere else cheaper ?
yes, Reichelt.
And also, where did you get the technical drawing for the TTSH, with mounting holes et all ?
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Post by flts » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:21 am

satindas wrote:I noticed that aside from the obvious price difference, the PXD3024WD15 gives a max of 1A per rail whereas the AEE00CC18-L gives a max of just 0.5A. zthee, if you're checking this thread, what is the maximum current draw of the TTSH ?? i.e. do I need the 1A converter to power the intended, integral oakley midiDAC (+40mA and -30mA), ( and possibly a few other goodies :razz: )? Cheers!
Just updated the first post with some bits of extra info from the original thread... Looks like zthee's estimate / measurement with the final prototype was around 300mA per rail with the speakers (at a normal volume) and LED sliders installed - quite possibly more with the speakers at full blast.

Based on that, you might still be able to power a midiDAC from the 0.5 amp per rail supply but that might also be stretching it. Again, don't take this as a gospel, but it looks like there's not that much room for powering extras with the smaller DC-DC.
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Post by Thonk Support » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:36 am

Altitude909 wrote:Seeing that all the tempcos are sold out at thonk and synthcube, I sent a RFQ to PRC in Florida (Precision Resistor Co, my go to place for these) so if anyone stateside needs some, drop me a line
whut?? they're very in stock, I have hundreds and have for months.

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Post by Thonk Support » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:38 am

diablojoy wrote:mine are now all pink :lol:
I was looking for some pink 3x2x4 recently... where did you get them?
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Post by flts » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:42 am

Monobass wrote:
Altitude909 wrote:Seeing that all the tempcos are sold out at thonk and synthcube, I sent a RFQ to PRC in Florida (Precision Resistor Co, my go to place for these) so if anyone stateside needs some, drop me a line
whut?? they're very in stock, I have hundreds and have for months.

http://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/tempco-resi ... 500ppm-x2/
FWIW, I just tried adding 4 of those to cart and it says "value must be less than or equal to 3 (qty)" which kind of hints there's either some kind of ordering restriction or the web store thinks there are only 3 pieces left in stock.
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Post by Thonk Support » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:46 am

oops, my bug, fixed :tu:
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Post by reggiechacha » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:56 am

satindas wrote:Ok I'll go first :roll:

I noticed that aside from the obvious price difference, the PXD3024WD15 gives a max of 1A per rail whereas the AEE00CC18-L gives a max of just 0.5A. zthee, if you're checking this thread, what is the maximum current draw of the TTSH ?? i.e. do I need the 1A converter to power the intended, integral oakley midiDAC (+40mA and -30mA), ( and possibly a few other goodies :razz: )? Cheers!
I was wondering about this also. I found this DC-DC converter which gives 1A and is cheaper than the one in the BOM.
http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/jtl3024d ... dp/1738272
Looks to be like for like but not sure if the pin placement is standard.

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Post by satindas » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:44 am

reggiechacha wrote:
satindas wrote:Ok I'll go first :roll:

I noticed that aside from the obvious price difference, the PXD3024WD15 gives a max of 1A per rail whereas the AEE00CC18-L gives a max of just 0.5A. zthee, if you're checking this thread, what is the maximum current draw of the TTSH ?? i.e. do I need the 1A converter to power the intended, integral oakley midiDAC (+40mA and -30mA), ( and possibly a few other goodies :razz: )? Cheers!
I was wondering about this also. I found this DC-DC converter which gives 1A and is cheaper than the one in the BOM.
http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/jtl3024d ... dp/1738272
Looks to be like for like but not sure if the pin placement is standard.
Quick check of the datasheet and it looks like a drop in replacement :nana:
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Post by Altitude909 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:09 pm

flts wrote:
Monobass wrote:
Altitude909 wrote:Seeing that all the tempcos are sold out at thonk and synthcube, I sent a RFQ to PRC in Florida (Precision Resistor Co, my go to place for these) so if anyone stateside needs some, drop me a line
whut?? they're very in stock, I have hundreds and have for months.

http://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/tempco-resi ... 500ppm-x2/
FWIW, I just tried adding 4 of those to cart and it says "value must be less than or equal to 3 (qty)" which kind of hints there's either some kind of ordering restriction or the web store thinks there are only 3 pieces left in stock.
That changed today, yesterday when I tried to order 4, it said it had 3 in stock only..
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Post by satindas » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:26 pm

roglok wrote:here's a hint for those (europeans?) having trouble sourcing the Peerless speakers (or not willing to shell out :75: for a pair of speakers):

check out the 3.3" broadband range of german manufacturer Visaton

i just ordered a pair of magnetically shielded F8SC for ~€10 each. those are not high-end, but supposedly decent speakers. should be a bang for the buck type of deal. i've compared the hole arrangement - they should be drop-in replacements.
Thanks for this! Although it's got me scratching my head now. It looks like there's some major differences in the performance of the two types and I'm wondering if I really want to compromise the sound by using these cheaper drivers. The Visatons only go down to 80 Hz whereas the Peerless' do 50 HZ. At the upper end the Visatons do 15kHz whereas the Peerless' do 20k... also the Visatons resonate at 103Hz ( not great if you're into tight bass) whereas the Peerless' resonate down at 83 Hz . If you're mainly gonna be running the TTSH through some decent monitors then the low spec of the Visatons might not be an issue. Nice potential saving though :hmm:
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Post by flts » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:53 pm

Altitude909 wrote:That changed today, yesterday when I tried to order 4, it said it had 3 in stock only..
Yeah, like Monobass says a few posts up, he fixed the issue after I mentioned about it aloud :guinness: Most probably ordering tempcos + jacks tomorrow the same time as I pay for the panel + PCB kit.
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Post by tojpeters » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:51 pm

What is the consensus on the matched tranny pairs? I see the mouser list has around 25 each of 3904 and 3906, but don't most of those need to be matched pairs?
I'm bringing this up to point out that the numbers on the list are correct(?) but the number you need to buy to get your matched pairs will be higher. The price break is at 100 on those,only a couple more bucks will get you 4 times the amount of trans. If you are matching your own you will need the 100. 50 would probably do it but that costs more than 100.

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Re: SMD Caps in BOM

Post by StillNotWorking » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:56 pm

gddfp wrote:In the BOM, the SMD caps (6x) are listed as 100nF, but the Mouser # [77-VJ0805Y103JXXPBC] is for 10nF caps...

Is the value correct (100n), or the Mouser # ?
If my memory serves me right you want the 100nF.
77-VJ0805Y104JXXPBC

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Post by StillNotWorking » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:58 pm

2N5459 seems to be rather rare and pricey these days. From the datasheet I found that the MMBF5457 in SOT-23 package are available at Mouser 512-MMBF5457.

But are these transistors important for the function of the VCO or can we use other FET's like MPF102 or J201?

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Re: SMD Caps in BOM

Post by gddfp » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:41 pm

StillNotWorking wrote:
gddfp wrote:In the BOM, the SMD caps (6x) are listed as 100nF, but the Mouser # [77-VJ0805Y103JXXPBC] is for 10nF caps...

Is the value correct (100n), or the Mouser # ?
If my memory serves me right you want the 100nF.
77-VJ0805Y104JXXPBC
Yea, that's what I reckoned...
Plenty of 100n's in my bin here, though only in 1206 package. 805 is just a wee bit too small to handle for my old & weary body.

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Re: 2N5459

Post by gddfp » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:44 pm

StillNotWorking wrote:2N5459 seems to be rather rare and pricey these days. From the datasheet I found that the MMBF5457 in SOT-23 package are available at Mouser 512-MMBF5457.

But are these transistors important for the function of the VCO or can we use other FET's like MPF102 or J201?
I've read -- if I recall well, somewhere in a synth repair related message -- that the BF245 is a good substitute. Has a reverse pinout though.

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Post by diablojoy » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:15 pm

monobass wrote
I was looking for some pink 3x2x4 recently... where did you get them?
http://www.ebay.com/usr/hklwh123

I got pink leds from this guy, but i think i cleaned him out.
the pink and purple are probably my all time favourite led colours bit more stand out then red and not eye strainingly annoying like blue leds,
I would certainly buy some more if i find any I am using lots of sliders at the present besides the TTSH

edit oh ok here you go another one..http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2x3x4mm- ... v4exp=true
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Post by flts » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:04 pm

tojpeters wrote:What is the consensus on the matched tranny pairs? I see the mouser list has around 25 each of 3904 and 3906, but don't most of those need to be matched pairs?
I just bought 100 of each just to be safe and probably have some in shelf already... They're going to be useful anyway and 100 of each costs pennies.
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Post by LED-man » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:22 pm

Have tested 2n3958 from a german china part dealer..
Pinout is wrong have DSG , datasheet says SDG
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Post by Peake » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:45 pm

From another thread:

ASSuming the oscillators are using the same parts as the original (apologies to zthee if I'm going off again without knowing):

CA3046 are $0.49 at Goldmine in the US.

PN5910 are $1.48 each in low quantities (35,000 in stock) at Wellgain.

2N4392 are at Mouser for $2.42 (zwei feir zwei) each. 3,251 in stock.
This is not the place I'd imagined it to be.

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