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Author A small window into a master plan
Malekko
It's an awesome time to be a synth nerd!
tIB
SlayerBadger! thumbs up

mmmm, cant wait to see the big window! MY ASS IS BLEEDING
Audio Resistance
Release the hounds! That is so damn sexy.

I need a big X-Mas bonus because I still need another Anti-Osc , another Noisering and I want 1 more Borg.
ignatius
Audio Resistance wrote:
Release the hounds!


Wiard Wiard

thumbs up


awesome. that's a useful chart.
mono-poly
OMG ambulance
mono-poly
The Wiard/Malekko Music Weasel !

w00t
Reality Checkpoint
Now why the hell did I just ditch all my Euro and go Serge!?! d'oh!
BananaPlug
revmutt
and who didn't see that coming. So obvious, duh!
suboptimal
I clearly need a bigger case.
Cybananna
Wiard we're not worthy w00t!!


Drinking
richard
and the keyboard? smile

go on, you know you wanna

R
felix
What, no Spring Chicken pedal in there for the spring reverb?
parasitk
What, no banana jacks? (hides)
Malekko
felix wrote:
What, no Spring Chicken pedal in there for the spring reverb?


It'll be there!
dkcg
Hurry up so I can finish my Pokemon set! w00t

You must have sold every spring chicken pedal you made since I can't find a single one for sale. And now I'm glad....How about a Siamese Chicken true stereo reverb in that module?
tj
euro easel Mr. Green

gotta catch 'em all!
worker8
So far, it's a 118HP modular synth (without the Spring Chicken). Let's say I put them all in a 168HP case : you can design a 60 HP touch keyboard. Or 50 HP + a 10HP Spring chicken ?
revmutt
I still say do the Optical mixer
http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/Corpse/VCEOM.html
indexofmetals
raises some interesting thoughts

btw, how slow does the anti-osc go? and is there anyway to pre-wire connections in malekko wiard modules or I guess any eurorack modules?
plord
revmutt wrote:
I still say do the Optical mixer
http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/Corpse/VCEOM.html


OH HELL YES. PRETTY PLEASE?!
Babaluma
please help me malekko, you are the ONLY dude who is really tempting me with euro!!! don't suppose you'd ever be likely to do some frac as well?
thermionicjunky
plord wrote:
revmutt wrote:
I still say do the Optical mixer
http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/Corpse/VCEOM.html


OH HELL YES. PRETTY PLEASE?!


Please. And vactrol panners. Please.
Jari Jokinen
Those Anti-Envelope sliders are going to be tiny: 3 cm.
sascha.victoria
That is a cool chart but the user interface is totally different. I'm not sure they should be compared because of it. It would be way more exciting to me if you bundled everything in 1 box with some normalizations and banana jacks. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.
parasitk
sascha.victoria wrote:
It would be way more exciting to me if you bundled everything in 1 box with some normalizations and banana jacks. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.


I'll raise that to 4 cents! It's peanut butter jelly time!
daves
Its a nice comparison, but I think it could easily mislead someone into thinking that it is somehow equivalent. First, there are big sections of the Buchla 208 that are cropped out. These are really significant. Second, the same type of comparison can be done with any other set of VCO, VCF, EG, S&H and SEQ and it would have similar paralells. This is not to say that the Wiard designs are no good, just that they are definitely not the same as a Buchla 208, both in circuitry and interface.
science
Uhh.. I don't think it was implied that these modules are "the same" as a 208. I think you guys are reading a bit too far into it.

If someone was somehow misled into thinking these are an equivalent, based on a "comparison", they probably wouldn't know enough to be able to figure out the difference even with a 208 and these modules in front of them anyway.
grantrichter
It is not equivalent. To say the modules are an "improvement", implies that there was something wrong with the 208 to begin with, which is not true. It is genius for it's time period (1976).

We don't need to steal anyone else's thunder, we have thunder of our own.

The set of six module we are making are closely inspired by the idea of forming a complete instrument from the set. The Anti-Oscillator has three serial wavefolders, as does the complex oscillator. Different circuits true, but the math is the same. I could post o-scope shots showing waveforms that are alike, but I'm just not nerdy enough anymore.

The Envelators construct linear ramps like the 208, just with more options.

The Boogie and Borgs are based on Electro-optical gates like the 292, but with 10 time faster Vactrols.

A flute can not replace a trumpet, and the Malekko/Wiard modules don't replace anything else. They stand by themselves as originals. BUT they were designed on a system level to work together seamlessly and allow many of the unique tones that an instrument like the 208 can produce.

Not show is the programming card connector, voltage inverter, pre-amp, external balanced modulator, 2 channel mixer, headphone amp, 2 inch spring reverb (horror) and final volume control.

None of those is significant to the purpose, so I left them out. No deception was intended. The instrument shown is Serial No. 0, that is the original prototype which I received in pieces and had to reverse engineer in order to restore. So I got quite intimate with it. And I can A/B patches with the new modules and the 208.

The point that is trying to be made is that the six modules are being developed as an instrument, inspired by an instrument which is already legendary for completeness and unique tonality. The set costs less than a 208 also.

daves wrote:
Its a nice comparison, but I think it could easily mislead someone into thinking that it is somehow equivalent. First, there are big sections of the Buchla 208 that are cropped out. These are really significant. Second, the same type of comparison can be done with any other set of VCO, VCF, EG, S&H and SEQ and it would have similar paralells. This is not to say that the Wiard designs are no good, just that they are definitely not the same as a Buchla 208, both in circuitry and interface.
Malekko
daves wrote:
the same type of comparison can be done with any other set of VCO, VCF, EG, S&H and SEQ

Soapbox ........oh, nevermind
meh










































Dinner at the Y
suboptimal
grantrichter wrote:
We don't need to steal anyone else's thunder, we have thunder of our own.


There is no SlayerBadger! big enough.
porfiry
Jesus christ, I've already bought five modules' worth of this mess, and *now* you fucking tell me it's not going to be an actual Music Easel when I'm done? I thought there was some seriously funny shit going on when none of these turds had "Buchla" printed on them anywhere, but I just let it slide. Live and fucking learn.

As soon as I finish this random FM bongo patch I'm working on, I'm going to give you people a piece of my goddamn mind.

w00t
johnnymad
suboptimal wrote:
grantrichter wrote:
We don't need to steal anyone else's thunder, we have thunder of our own.


There is no SlayerBadger! big enough.


I agree! that's sig worthy!
adamf
grantrichter wrote:
The point that is trying to be made is that the six modules are being developed as an instrument, inspired by an instrument which is already legendary for completeness and unique tonality. The set costs less than a 208 also.



Thanks for this insight into the design of the new modules. Your reputation for building modules that compliment each other on a system level whilst simultaneously being interesting enough to stand up as a singular entities aside from the system is highly renowned and greatly appreciated by those who use them. I'm certainly looking forward to one day enjoying the modules together as a unique instrument.
felix
grantrichter wrote:
The point that is trying to be made is that the six modules are being developed as an instrument, inspired by an instrument which is already legendary for completeness and unique tonality.

w00t
Soundwave
felix wrote:
grantrichter wrote:
The point that is trying to be made is that the six modules are being developed as an instrument, inspired by an instrument which is already legendary for completeness and unique tonality.

w00t

+1
Glitchmachines
grantrichter wrote:


The set of six module we are making are closely inspired by the idea of formingfrom the set.


The point that is trying to be made is that the six modules are being developed as an instrument, inspired by an instrument which is already legendary for completeness and unique tonality.


So does this mean that the Envelator and Anti-envelope are going to be it for the Malekko-Wiard modules???

I could have sworn Josh mentioned the Euro JAG a while ago ...
Soundwave
btw, i would love to see a touch keyboard like that in the music easel or the buchla 222e Buchla 222e from malekko or anyone else in the eurorack format...

i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one.
Monobass
So if I bought all those modules in the original image, including doubles, what other utility modules would be recommended to compliment it?
jonkull
I personally would recommend the A156 Quantizer and A183-2 Offset/Attenuator/Polarizer to use with the Noisering but that's a matter of personal preference.
harolddonnelly
Man Malekko rules! jeeze! hahhah just thought i had to say that
J3RK
harolddonnelly wrote:
Man Malekko rules! jeeze! hahhah just thought i had to say that


Well, as long as it was intended to be read in the voice of: "San Dimas high-school football rules!!!!" then I think it's ok. Mr. Green

And I'll go ahead and second it while I'm at it, and raise you a Wiard!
harolddonnelly
haha Of course it was supposed to be said in that voice hahah
jvt
porfiry wrote:
Jesus christ, I've already bought five modules' worth of this mess, and *now* you fucking tell me it's not going to be an actual Music Easel when I'm done? I thought there was some seriously funny shit going on when none of these turds had "Buchla" printed on them anywhere, but I just let it slide. Live and fucking learn.

As soon as I finish this random FM bongo patch I'm working on, I'm going to give you people a piece of my goddamn mind.

w00t

Help! Can't...breathe...must find...way...to stop...lau... ambulance
J3RK
Ordered my second Envelator and AntiOscillator. Need a Boogie and a second NoiseRing now. Waiting anxiously for the Anti-Envelope and a Mix-O-Lat-A-Tron of some kind.

I'm building a folding Buchla inspired 9U case. It shall be the all Wiard/Malekko Music Weasel Plus Plus. screaming goo yo

I may end up putting 4 Envelators in it.
plord
J3RK wrote:
Ordered my second Envelator and AntiOscillator. Need a Boogie and a second NoiseRing now. Waiting anxiously for the Anti-Envelope and a Mix-O-Lat-A-Tron of some kind.

WORD.

Quote:
I'm building a folding Buchla inspired 9U case. It shall be the all Wiard/Malekko Music Weasel Plus Plus. screaming goo yo

I may end up putting 4 Envelators in it.


Gemini for me. Couldn't keep it to 9U.

4 Envelators sounds just about right.

I have my second Borg (1) coming now, waiting to see the $ on the Gemini before I commit to the next batch of Malekko/Wiard.

I probably have room for a Noise Ring now smile
felix
Mixolator Mixolator Mixolator Mixolator

The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense The Chewbacca Defense
jonkull
I said I wasn't going to buy anymore modules...that I was done with my setup for now...but just came back from BCM with two Envelators. It's a sickness. MY ASS IS BLEEDING
J3RK
I've had a bit of a change in design philosophy. To make it truly portable, as a true Weasel should be I'm going to go 6U. I'll be building multiples and possibly simple mixers into the chassis. MIDI-CV will also be built in. If you think about the Buchla folding cabinet, all of these mix/mult/midi-cv connections will be where the center row of modules would normally be. Then there will be a row at the top, and one that folds down in front of you.

I figure, if I need more than 6U, I have racks for this at home. If I want to go patch in another room, or somewhere else entirely, 6U should do nicely.

The initial set of modules will be what you see below. Of course, Anti-Envelopes aren't available yet. Also, if the Uncle Oscillator is released, I may swap a NoiseRing for that, and put the second one in an external rack. (I like two NoiseRings.) Also, if the Mythical MixOLator were to be similar in size to the Envelator, then I could swap one of those out for one. Here's my thoughts on modules:



4 Envelators is quite a bit, but since the can be used to divide clocks or perform LFO duties, I don't think it ends up being overkill.
bsmith
Quote:
4 Envelators is quite a bit, but since the can be used to divide clocks or perform LFO duties, I don't think it ends up being overkill.


J3RK, thank you so much for all of the samples you've posted - they've definitely been influential on the route I've decided to take as I've started making decisions on how to proceed building my first modular rig. This thread itself has been for sure. See pic below smile
I'm new to all this and want to understand why you'd pick a noise ring to switch for the uncle osc instead of an envelator (the envelator is definitely a madman, as I'm finding out, but so is the noisering, and I'm just curious is all).
By the way, posted a small noodle from messing around with the envelator last night https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14037
chocolatyshatner
4 envelators sounds about right to me . . . I've been thinking about replacing my 143-2 and 143-3 with more envelators . . . that would be insane! Loving the cycle delay!
J3RK
bsmith wrote:
Quote:
4 Envelators is quite a bit, but since the can be used to divide clocks or perform LFO duties, I don't think it ends up being overkill.


J3RK, thank you so much for all of the samples you've posted - they've definitely been influential on the route I've decided to take as I've started making decisions on how to proceed building my first modular rig. This thread itself has been for sure. See pic below smile
I'm new to all this and want to understand why you'd pick a noise ring to switch for the uncle osc instead of an envelator (the envelator is definitely a madman, as I'm finding out, but so is the noisering, and I'm just curious is all).
By the way, posted a small noodle from messing around with the envelator last night https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14037


Thanks! I'm glad people have been liking them. Basically, I'll start patching, and then I hit a point where I'm just having a ton of fun with the patch, and hit record for a bit. smile (except for a few small multitracked ones that I put together)

As far as those swapping choices, I'd never get rid of a second NoiseRing (once I have one again.) The only reason I'd swap it for an Uncle is that I could move it out into another rack or case (I have a few, all of which are empty, but with rails ready for modules.) I'd still have it, I'd just have to patch from another rack. I'm just looking for a little diversity within the 6U case I'm designing. (got the initial sketching part done, just need to decide on wood, and start making real measurments)

I had two NoiseRings in a Frac system I used to have, and they were the core of nearly every patch in some way or other.

I figure I need a filter and a couple VCAs, so the Boogie and two Borgs have to stay. I need clock division, LFO, and Envelopes of several Envelators, and eventually the sequential properties of the Anti-envelopes. The NoiseRing has to be in the system, can't live without one, but I can get by on the multiple outputs from a single one I think.

I wanted to build a 9U folding case, but then it's not quite as portable. I mean, it would be movable, but not something I could put on the coffee table, and muck about with.

However... (now look what you've done Mr. Green ) an extra NoiseRing would be nice... Heh...

Nice setup too by the way. As soon as my Env and AO show up, we'll have identical sets of Walekard modules...
jonkull
Well looks like one of the Envelators I picked up this afternoon doesn't work. Dead Banana
revmutt
plord wrote:

Gemini for me. Couldn't keep it to 9U.



What is this Gemini you speak of?
sandyb
revmutt wrote:
plord wrote:

Gemini for me. Couldn't keep it to 9U.



What is this Gemini you speak of?


this nanners



there's a bit of discussion here:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14052

sandy
bsmith
J3RK wrote:

4 Envelators is quite a bit, but since the can be used to divide clocks or perform LFO duties, I don't think it ends up being overkill.


Wow, add oscillator to that list. I'm sitting here with it on fast cycle and giving it an oscillator's square wave to the gate and sending it's out to a vca, and there it is. Messing around with the envelope shape is resulting in all kinds of insanity while I look at it on a scope.
Holy shit.
revmutt
sandyb wrote:
Quote:
What is this Gemini you speak of?


this nanners



there's a bit of discussion here:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14052

sandy


Thanks sandy.
grantrichter
bsmith wrote:
J3RK wrote:

4 Envelators is quite a bit, but since the can be used to divide clocks or perform LFO duties, I don't think it ends up being overkill.


Wow, add oscillator to that list. I'm sitting here with it on fast cycle and giving it an oscillator's square wave to the gate and sending it's out to a vca, and there it is. Messing around with the envelope shape is resulting in all kinds of insanity while I look at it on a scope.
Holy shit.


The minimum time for both attack and decay is 1 millisecond. This produces a 2 millisecond (~500Hz) waveform. So the Envelator and be used for waveshaping if the frequency is below C above middle C. The Gate Input is a comparator with a threshold of ~2 volts so any oscillator waveform with an amplitude of +/- 5 volts can be used to gate it.
Cthulhu
harolddonnelly
grantrichter wrote:
voltage inverter, pre-amp, external balanced modulator, 2 channel mixer, headphone amp, 2 inch spring reverb (horror) and final volume control.

None of those is significant to the purpose, so I left them out. No deception was intended. The instrument shown is Serial No. 0, that is the original prototype which I received in pieces and had to reverse engineer in order to restore. So I got quite intimate with it. And I can A/B patches with the new modules and the 208.


I really love the ideas of these all inclusive systems

what would you guys suggest to finish off the final little piece that were left off?

Really enjoy the Malekko Spring Chicken I have great great reverb unit!
futureworlder
Analogue Solutions HP-01 headphone amp will do 3-in mixer, preamp, final volume control and headphone amp in 6hp, Malekko's own OUTPUT will do 2-in mixer, preamp, headphone amp and final volume in just 4hp. Mr Malekko's design also outputs nicely in stereo with great imaging of panning and other spacial applications. i can't rightly recall if the HP-01 will do stereo out.

the only thing you don't get with either of these is separate volume controls for output and headphones, but i'd bet the reason for this is that most people won't be listening to the system (monitoring) on headphones at one level while the main out is at another.

i've A/B'ed both side by side in my mini-Wialekko system and found them both to be great, so i could go either way. inevitably i chose to keep the OUTPUT module mostly for space constraints, but i've got plans to incorporate the HP-01 into a DIY Buchla Easel clone as it just sounds too good not to.
Entrainer
I'm revisiting this chart as I'm hopeful the new production facility and
prototype video equal = Anti-Envelope/Looper thing.

Plus there are some new modules such as the X-Mix, Fade, uVCA,
potential vapourware Cybernetics (as clearly stated in it's thread title) ...

Would a Cybernetics make more sense than a second Noise-Ring


Q: Those jacks on the bottom with no arrows? W-Bug?

2012-2013 may be the year I break out the 108HP row into a stand-alone
Malekko/Wiard desktop jam thing with headphone jack.
Planning potential configs to determine power + HP requirements for case.
Peake
Pic in first post: we're not worthy
thaneco
Since I'm a fanatic buyer of Malekko modules, I would like to see a complete buchla system from Malekko. Otherwise Makenoise modules will be a better choice. Lets wait and see whats next! SlayerBadger! Wiard
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